Belly Dance Certification

topic posted Thu, January 5, 2006 - 11:50 AM by  Barb aka Fik...
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I am in the process of writing an article for "Zaghareet" magazine regarding certification for belly dance. I would love to hear people's comments about this issue. For example, is it necessary or desirable and why or why not. Also, if people have personal experiences with certifiction I would love to hear them.

Thanks for your help!
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Barb aka Fikriyyah
Pennsylvania
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  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Thu, January 5, 2006 - 1:22 PM
    I don't think it's necessary, but I think it could be helpful for those who wish to seek a job with some places--like a gym or a school--that requires all their teachers to have some sort of certification.
  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Thu, January 5, 2006 - 7:45 PM
    Currently the only certification that I would really want to the degree of persuing with passion is Suhailas. The woman roxes.
    • Re: Belly Dance Certification

      Fri, January 6, 2006 - 7:22 AM
      I think it's a very subjective matter. Who is to say who is "certified"? Teachers will want to certify their own students (just a natural human tendency I think). Other teachers' students may face more objective (harsh) judging than the judging of one's own students.

      Also, does anyone know of any other dance form that has a certification? I mean, are ballet dancers certified? No. Are ballet instructors certified? No. Nor are Jazz dancers, tap dancers, ballroom dancers, etc. What you should have if you intend to teach is a RESUME that outlines who you've studied with and for how long, where you've taught and for how long, etc. I think certification is unnecessary and will only lead to problems down the road.

      Yes, Suhaila does certify her students... but in HER format. Yes, she's good, but who is to say that her method is the best or only method? If you ask 5 different dancers on the best way to shimmy in order to layer movements with it you'll get 5 different answers. Which one is right? It's up to the individual dancer to decide which on is right FOR HER. There is only one right way to drive a car (hence we have licensing for drivers) but there isn't only one right way to belly dance or to teach belly dance.

      Just my two cents worth on this topic.
      • Re: Belly Dance Certification

        Fri, January 6, 2006 - 7:31 AM
        On the contrary, I think there's a wide variety of ballet schools that "certify" teachers... which doesn't necessarily make them good teachers; but on the other hand it does indicate they have a certain amount of experience. I know I've heard of instances of bellydance classes offered by "instructors" who probably aren't quite at the stage they should be teaching yet... only beginning-level classes, but I still don't really think it's fair to a new student to get an instructor who doesn't have a strong grounding in the dance (and I'm not talking about areas where that instructor is the only one available). At least a certificate (provided it comes from a reputable teacher, which I think most of the ones being offered do... you don't start certifying other dancers unless you've got a pretty weighty rep yourself, do you? correct me if I'm wrong) indicates to a newcomer that the teacher has some real, in-depth experience.
        • Re: Belly Dance Certification

          Fri, January 6, 2006 - 7:47 AM
          Again, it boils down to who is to say who is certified? What makes the "certifier" qualified to say that someone is a "certified" performer or instructor? The Joe Schmo Dance School down the road can say that they will certify belly dancers for a $50 plus $20/year to maintain active certification status. But who is to say that they are qualified?

          Resumes speak much louder than any certification. If someone is really concerned about the experience of an instructor, the instructor should have a resume that is easily accessible and will be given freely. Heck, I would want to know how long someone has studied, performed, and has been teaching before I even sign up for a class!
          • Re: Belly Dance Certification

            Fri, January 6, 2006 - 7:52 AM
            I can see both sides of it. I agree that a certification board would have to be transparent, objective, and include members with a variety of styles and backgrounds.
            I could see the value of having a set of basic criteria, though - not to discourage any specific style, but basics like proper posture for both physical safety and proper dance technique, an ability to actually communicate and teach people, a certain # of hours of training and/or professional experience, etc., etc. just like in other professions.
            But again, it all boils down to having a legitimate, qualified, objective certifying board.
      • Re: Belly Dance Certification

        Wed, January 11, 2006 - 9:41 AM
        Ballet dancers are definitely "certified". Ballet is the same as Royal Conservatory Piano. Students have the option to take exams, and the exams are given by teachers that are appointed by the governing board (Royal Academy of Dance, I believe, although I could be wrong). These examiners travel across Canada (I live in Canada, I don't know how it works in the USA)at certain times of the year giving exams. There is a sylabus, and manditory skills, etc. It is very formalized. I took ballet exams every year for almost 15 years. Hated it.

        So, you can be a ballet dancer and never take an exam - but if you want to get into the Royal Winnipeg Ballet, you won't stand a chance unless you've done your exams.

        The difference in ME dance is that there are so many forms, ethnicities, styles, I think it would be impossible to set a standard exam. Unless it was broken down very specifically.

        Teacher certification, IMHO, is important at a basic level, I think as has been said here already. Not only from a physical education point of view, but I think it also is important to learn and understand how humans learn, knowing when a student has learned a skill vs. mastered it, all that stuff that makes a good teacher. From a student perspective, I'd be more inclined to take a class from a teacher with some sort of certification. On the other hand, that does not preclude the value of learning from someone with lots of experience, because that is just as valuable.

        I've rambled on and not sure I've said anything valuable...heh. :)
      • Re: Belly Dance Certification

        Mon, March 19, 2007 - 11:52 AM
        Don't most of these that you have mentioned have degrees from college (dance degree)? (ballet, jazz, etc.)
        • Re: Belly Dance Certification

          Mon, July 14, 2008 - 10:02 AM


          This looks like an old post but it came up on my google seach. . .

          Instructors Intensive, Delilah style / with certificates

          I can’t speak for other peoples teaching courses but here is a little about mine.

          I have offered 2 “Instructors Intensive” courses so far, the next one I’m offering is in January 2009. Registrations are now open to 15 people. These courses are highly inspirational, challenging and growth producing. I conduct the course for 10 consecutive days, in Hawaii along side of my regular annual belly dance retreats of 8 days. The current format is as follows:
          The instructors arrive 24 hours before the general course. I spend this time with instructors first to get off to a intimate level. We are all viewed as colleagues and each participant has something to teach all of us. It is not just about one perspective since Delilah’s perspective is to be a perpetual student, learning from all those around you. However, Delilah hopes you will learn some of her visionary concepts and ideals and pass them on to your students.

          The regular 8 day retreat is full of the meat and potatoes of belly dance. Techniques, drills, drum classes, workouts, creativity exercises, and performance work. Dancer of all levels are invited. The regular course is cheaper, shorter and has more leisure time to spend in Hawaii around the pool and beaches. Reminder: Just because someone is a teacher doesn’t mean they have to take the instructors intensive either. They are more than welcome to take the general retreat. It’s a nice mix of belly dance and hawaiian vacation.

          The next 7 days at the retreat are divided into periods. The mornings, late afternoon and evenings have workshops and performance opportunities for both the regular retreat participants (which are of all levels form beginning to professionals) and the instructors. The last day is for instructors alone again and we work on drum solos and a fun little test. Part of the instruction is to learn to play the middle eastern drum. This is very important for all instructor. We will also have the opportunity to dance to live music.

          Who is qualified to take the instructors course?
          Anyone who who has been belly dancing for a year or two and is driven to know more about belly dance. 1 year doesn’t seem like very much but some dancers come into belly dance with a lot of dance knowledge and advance quickly these days. So I leave it up to each individual to choose if they are ready to come. No one is turned away. Of course seasoned belly dance instructors come for new inspirations. Also dancers come who don’t intend to pursue teaching belly dancing but just want the immersion or are thinking about it.

          Months before the course begins the instructors are given homework. It’s a list of subjects they maybe called on to teach 10-15 minutes at the retreat. If they don’t know a subject then we advice they search it out and gain some knowledge about it. We suggest they make sure they have studied all of Delilah’s instructional DVD’s if they want to get the most out of their “live” course experience, but thats up to them. The registraunts are given discounts for DVD’s.
          What we do during the first instructors classes is review certain body alignment techniques that are essential to understanding the dance’s bodily construction, teach the Power Belly format of dance instruction and at some point, we have a candid group discussion about the business of belly dance pro’s and con’s. My goal as an instructor’s guide is to help dancers clearly see into the body and understand what they see in each others dance movements.

          At the beginning I give each participant a rare copy of my unpublished manuscript about belly dance and a second one about the biz of belly dance. They can read it during their spare time at the retreat and it’s theirs to keep (but not reproduce in any way).

          At the end of the retreat they receive a certificate that describes the elements covered in the program as well as other instructors or musicians that may have been a part of that retreat program.

          What the certificate means, and doesn’t mean
          It doesn’t mean you are a great teacher or even that after the course you are now considered a qualified instructor. It just means you took the course. The certificate is suitable for framing so you can show your students that you have sincere dedication to the art of belly dance and have put forth the time and money towards higher learning. It gives the public a bit of back ground as to what makes up your personal experience as a teacher and can be used in your educational resume. It is not a certificate for physical fitness or first aid.

          Note: The instructors course is about 20 hours in addition to the 22 hours of the general course retreat.

          I hope this explains a bit more about my program. It’s truly a wonderful laboratory for dancers. I get email all the time from dancers asking me if I have a teachers program and I am at a loss for how this is seemingly undiscovered aspect of my web site. Instructors courses in extreme demand these days.

          Seattle Apprenticeship Opportunity
          I do have another option for dancers who want to apprentice with me. I have a house across the street from my studio and will take on live in apprenticeship for 4-6 weeks.

          They get a room, their own bath in a shared living situation in an old world large Queen Anne style house located across the street from VDP Studios in a beautiful neighborhood 5 minutes from downtown. It’s on a great bus line. The house has a hot tub, garden and cats. Restaurants, market and shops are all in walking distance. The apprentice can take daily classes, private classes and use the studio for practice. Opportunity for dancing to live middle eastern music as well since the band “House of Tarab” is closely aligned with the studio and this is irreplaceable experience.
          Cost starts at $850 per month plus private class and special workshops.


          There you have it in a nut shell.

          Delilah
          206 632-2353
          deiliahbellydancer@yahoo.com
          www.visionarydance.com
          VDP STUDIO 4128 Fremont Ave n
          Sea wa 98103
          www.delilahs-bely-dance-retreat.com
  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Sat, January 7, 2006 - 7:50 AM
       Hey Barb,

       Check out:   bellydance.tribe.net/thread/...67462713

       For more info on this subject.

       Take care, Rick Fink

    www.zhelene.com
    www.orientalistart.net
    www.medancecertification.org
    • Re: Belly Dance Certification

      Mon, January 9, 2006 - 5:59 PM
      I was noting the www.medancecertification.org site. interesting, however, it is subjective not objective correct? I mean, what is the testing proceedure?
      I didnt notice any testing proceedure...given what it says on the site, you could send in videos of just about anyone...(no proof that it isnt you after all) a fake course outline, and no afidavid of proof that you havnt been dancing for 5 years...kind of risky, sending a check in for $250. for this process..when there is no regulation to the certification process, and what is the $250. for?

      I think I could probably do the same with something like "Tombstone rubbing certification..just $100!) after all there is no regulatory committee to over see it as well.... which is the point I guess..

      I would suggest everyone get as much education on teaching (even a limited teaching credential) and safety when teaching a physical activitiy (a physical education certificate of some kind) in the very least... and CPR/First aid of course!!!
      • Re: Belly Dance Certification

        Mon, January 9, 2006 - 9:57 PM
        "and CPR/First aid of course!!!"

        Based on having gone through the process, I am not a big fan of First Aid certification. I was very motivated to learn how to help ourselves when I took that class, but the bottom line message was - call 911 and don't mess with the patient. It was useless for me - and I don't see the point. Also, based on having been CPR certified many years ago - that was virtually useless, as well.

        In contrast, I found that Wilderness First Aid (I took a class and was certified by WMI/NOLS a few years ago) is infinitely more useful, including for mundane uses. I *****highly***** recommend that course for anybody, not just backpackers. I have used what I learned in that class more than once in kitchen and soccer accidents, for instance. It took two days, but was well worth the time and expense.
        • Re: Belly Dance Certification

          Mon, January 9, 2006 - 10:53 PM
          I only brought it up, since I am a fire service safety instructor for civilians and recruits...Paramed etc...but I agree wilderness first aid is a must and when I taught first aid I would always teach first aid with the concept of what to do when you do not have a first aid kit and you are too far from help...kind of like real life triage...I actually am going to be teaching wilderness first aid next year..so I am glad you brought it up and maybe it will spark some ideas in peoples heads..
        • Re: Belly Dance Certification

          Tue, January 10, 2006 - 4:42 PM
          I can't help thinking that there ARE some basics to know-- I think at least CPR, some basic knowledge of how the body works (basic warmup/cooldown/stretching principles, for example!), a rudimentary knowledge of the differences between, say, Egyptian, Turkish, North African, and Roma dance, and the most commonly-used terms for major moves would be really useful for a teacher to know.

          A certification isn't something to say, "I'm the best there is!" It simply says, "I have a basic grounding in this stuff, and I probably won't hurt you." I think many of us see a teaching certification as a confirmation of skill and tenure, when most base certifications I know of (I've been a fitness pro for several years now, and hold at least 6 certs of one kind or another) are just that-- basics.

          Now I gotta go read the archives to see how many people just said this exact same thing in the last discussion! ;)

          Melissa
          www.melissasdance.com
          www.bellycore.com
          • Re: Belly Dance Certification

            Tue, January 10, 2006 - 5:25 PM
            yea, I think we all came to that agreement..I know when I go to teach seniors they wont look at me like I am one of the superstars...just the basics, body mechanics and exercising safely..
  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Sun, March 18, 2007 - 10:25 AM
    There are questions with regards to certification.

    1. Who would be the certifying entity?
    2. Who would have certified this certifying entity?
    3. Who would have sanctioned this certifying entity as a certifying entity?
    4. What would be compulsory?
    5. What, if any, would the "props" entail, and why would these props be mandatory?
    6. How much of the history of the dance would be required?
    7. How much and what kind of music studied, their songwriters, their singers, would be required?
    8. How much time in dance and/or study, and with whom, would be required?
    9. What accomplishments or contributions to the dance (and not to the dancer) would be admitted?
    10. Which, if any, instruments would the dancer be required to play flawlessly?
    11. Would the winning of belly dance contests play a part of the certification process?
    12. Would the travel to the Middle East for cultural and dance lessons be required?

    And there are so many more questions that must be addressed.

    The problem with a certification program for this dance is that this dance is not clearly defined by an institution from which the dance originated nor is it governed by any sanctioned entity within its originating native government. So a certification program can only be as good as the entity issuing it. Right now, the certification is being issued by Western concerns who have defined the dance according to the Western cultural experience. That can be very limiting. For dancers claiming to be Egyptian style, a certification program affiliated with Egypt could be the only one issuing certification to these Egyptian style dancers to be fully creditable.

    Certification can be a good thing if it can open doors, but even those doors that are being open seem to be opened by individuals who are not educated in the dance nor in its culture. It's a daunting thing.

    -Sausan
    • Re: Belly Dance Certification

      Sun, March 18, 2007 - 11:47 AM
      In Buenos Aires, in the biggest schools (and smaller..) they give you a certificate...like Saida, Amir Thaleb...this 2 you dont have to pay a "right to get the exam", you just do it along the years...and in the last year, usually the 5th if you do all the years well, you get a diploma that is valid for yourself...other places you have to pay, like Maiada, you pay each year - if u wanted - the equivalent of a month of dance and u have to prepare a choreo, or whatever, and each year u get a certificate.

      I mean, is valid to the point that you are being tested by great dancers. That is all. But still, you just have to attach to this or that teacher. And even when you can give really good results, if the teacher think you can do more he or she put yr note lower wich is really shitty...but well, are the rules of the games in each school. You take them or leave them, in my opinion a certificate is valid as having just a paper if u want to work in some place, or give a CV, but still...is what u can do at the end of the day. You can learn very good technique, but if you cant express with your body language, face expressions, etc in a song then...Ive seen women with no much technique but with such a good emotional dance.

      and oriental dance is different that ballet, other things are involve in a different way...see Orit, she started dancing oriental at the age of 36 and she is such a great dancer you would think she s been doing it for the whole life.
  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Sun, March 18, 2007 - 4:18 PM
    I'm with Seichi on this one. I like the Suhaila format and have a desire to add it to my list of certifications that I desire, but as others have put it so eloquently it is up to the dancer to decide which is right for her. The other two I have on my list are Taaj's teacher certification and Gypsy Caravan's Teacher certification. Although the later (Gypsy Caravan) has just added a student certification course that is now required before taking the Instructor course. I'm not sure how I feel about that except it just doubled the price to become a certified Instructor in the Gypsy Caravan style.

    I already have an instructor certification that I obtained while I was in the navy and it not only covered types of methods of Instruction. It also taught us how to develope a course, testing methods, instructor plans, student guides and follow-up. How that would hold in the civilian world as a qualification for bellydance I'm not sure, but it has provided me with employment with agencies for persons with special needs.

    Personally what I think that seperates the chaf from the wheat within the community is; are they a good dancer and are they a good instructor. When it comes to the general public looking at bellydance for the first time they are most likely to be like me when I came in as a beginner. Asking questions like, what is that teachers qualifications and awards. If she has competed and won awards and has certifications listed, she will be the most likely choice to go to first.

    • Re: Belly Dance Certification

      Mon, July 28, 2008 - 5:33 AM
      I have written a couple of articles about this www.pedralta.com/tribal/student-guide.htm and www.pedralta.com/tribal/teacher-guide.htm I haven't reviewed these for a while so I'd be grateful for feedback.

      My main point in writing them was to encourage students to ask questions and teachers to be honest and open about their level of training and expertise. I mistrust teachers who tell you nothing or who are vague. I am able to judge now whether teacher x is a good teacher for me to learn from but when I started out I wasn't able to tell and I later had to relearn a lot of incorrectly taught moves (I was suposed to be learning FCBD based ATS)

      As for certificates I don't belive they're worth having if you can't fail. That is you just need to turn up. I think that first aid and a knowledge of muscle groups, warm up technique, cool down etc. are essential. Also knowledge of the effects of age and injury on the body. Not all dancers are young fit 20 somethings. We must be careful.
  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Wed, August 6, 2008 - 7:54 AM
    I joined this tribe just to comment on this thread.

    As a certified massage therapist AND a bellydancer - I am strongly against a bellydance certification. Here is why:

    I think you are going to get in the same fix that massage therapists are in with their fight against statewide and nationwide certification. The reason why massage therapists in some states (like NY) are required to have a state certification is because they don't want customers duped into entering a place where prostitutes work under the guise of "massage" when they think they are going to a "legitimate" theraputic massage clinic.

    ha ha ha ha ha - yeah right.

    It's just a money making thing for the state...and yes...it was started by massage therapists and got out of hand. I have been actively fighting this in California and nationally...and I'm not longer in the theraputic industry.

    Considering massage and bellydance have the same ignorant general public view - we're all "whores" (a general summary, you ladies know what I mean). Once it's required to have a certificate...I fear that it's going to go the same route as massage therapists.
  • Re: Belly Dance Certification

    Sat, August 9, 2008 - 2:17 PM
    I can't really see what use it would be in defining a persons worth as a dancer or choreographer unless very clearly defined styles were described on the certificate. A general Belly Dance Certification would tell nothing about the style and movement preferences of the dancer: modern tribal; american tribal; tribal fusion ( and which kind?); egyptian; turkish;cabaret; gothic... a general degree from a college or university in dance is more useful in that regard... it at least says that the person with the degree has a lot of experience in learning and applying a veriety of dance styles. If the certification at least required experienced and knowlegable dancers to evaluate skill level and teaching ability (?) for particular styles, something might be said for it. Not just anybody is, for instance, qualified to "certify" a dancers proficiency in East Coast Gothic Style. Who certifies the certifyier? Not that these problems can't be addressed, but it's not a simple problem: someone can have 15 years of experience in perfoming, say, cabaret, and be useless beyond being able to say "Gee, that looks nice" in evaluating someones ability to respond appropriately to a given styles local tribal cues.
    • Re: Belly Dance Certification

      Mon, October 13, 2008 - 9:41 AM
      Depending on who the certifier is, there can be additional value or purpose to the certification beyond a printed piece of paper that holds no inherant value. I've studied with Piper in Baltimore. Her certification is a fantastic evaluation of your skills - and thats what it is meant to be. During the certification test, you perform all of the moves for that level, you are video taped and she later evaluates the moves and provides you with a detailed (and I mean DETAILED) assessment of darn near every detail of your technique. You are not required to take these tests to study with her, but after having done it, I was actually quite blown away with the feedback (like 10 pages or something). It gives you ideas of where to focus and lets you pat yourself on the back for something well learned.

      Additionally, I believe she uses the certification to determine which of her students can dance solos in her show each year. I think it may help the issue of "why does she get to if I dont???"